The Salesforce stint was not too long as from June 2013 through June 2016, Nielsen was CEO of Heroku. He was co-president of VMWare from January 2009 through March 2013. Roche founded Salesforce in October 2009 as a spinoff from Unit4. That software company was majority owner with Salesforce as a minority investor. My recollection is $100 million in annual revenue is one of the key metrics for going public.